Sunday, October 20, 2019

The Second VHS Release, The DVDs and Bluray

                                                     Blogger's Note: revised my post.

In the year 2000 The Black Cauldron was reissued on VHS for the Halloween season under the Walt Disney Gold Classic Collection along with the classic Donald Duck short Trick or Treat (1952)

also the same year, The Black Cauldron had it's first DVD release. presented in the letter box widescreen for 4:3 tube TVs format. Bonus features include the Donald Duck short Trick or Treat (1952), art Galleries, a DVD set top game and the 4:3 "Theatrical" Trailer.

The 2000 DVD release also has the 1985 French dub with the alternate title in English (from the limited theatrical reissue)
and the Spanish dub.


another Disney rarity also had a VHS reissue and a DVD debut along side The Black Cauldron,
The Adventures Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949)


In 2010 The Black Cauldron was reissued on DVD. this time the film got the remastered treatment and presented in animorphic widescreen for 16:9  flat screen TVs.

The 2010 25th Anniversary DVD release also has the 1998 French dub and the Spanish dub

along with the deleted alternate fair folk scene (I speculate was from early in production in ether 1982 or 1983?)

and a few classic bonus features from the 2000 DVD release.



The film did made it's way to the streaming services and  Disney+

Update:  As of May 4th 2021, The Black Cauldron is now on Bluray as part of the Disney Movie Club Bluray Exclusives

Saturday, October 19, 2019

The Laserdisc

Blogger's Note: revised my post.
 Laserdisc of the 1998 French dub of Disney's The Black Cauldron (1985)

presented in letterbox widescreen for the old 4:3 tube TVs.

 odd that this is one of those films that has yet to get a laserdisc release in  U.S. back in  the day.


Thursday, October 17, 2019

The long awaited VHS in 1997 for the UK and 1998 for the USA

After Disney Released the film to theaters, The Black Cauldron was withheld from home video release for the rest of the 1980's and early to mid 1990's.

Two years after Jeffrey Katzenberg left Disney,
 a successful petition campaign by Chris Baker convinced Disney to release it on video.

 the film  finally had a video release.



                                      1998 VHS Trailer with music from The Rocketeer (1991)
                                                            1997 VHS British Trailer


Monday, September 16, 2019

The Original Run Time of The Black Cauldron, The Editing and why is there no extended cut


"I get asked all the time "gee, where's the original cut?" I was like "there was no original cut."
Jeffrey got in there pretty quick and trimmed the scary stuff.
 
Nowadays it's not unusual, even back then it wasn't unusual to go in and rework the movie several times until a lot of the movie kept getting reworked and reworked even before Jeffrey and Eisner were there, 

We knew that the Fair Folk section must have gone through 3 or 4 different incarnations before they settled on the final one."


Excerpt from Walt's People Vol 11

https://www.amazon.com/Walts-People-Talking-Disney-Artists/dp/146536840X/ref=pd_ybh_a_13?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SY40CBEW0CEH54HMB32T

Joe Hale: "Somewhere  along this timeline, Michael Eisner took over at Disney and Ron Miller was disposed. Roy E. Disney came back to work in animation. Jeffrey Katzenberg was working directly under Eisner.

I had known Roy off and on for years. I worked with  him a little bit when he was doing his true life adventures  television shows.  I did some of the titles for him. in fact, he was the only one there who ever called me a genius. He was doing a picture called Boy from Bahrain. Roy really liked to start his pictures out with a map showing where they took place. I painted this big map of that area showing the island and the Persian gulf. the first scene in his picture was nothing but ocean, and this Arab sailboat comes crusing along in the water. So I made a tracing of the first frame of that picture, then redrew it onto the map. it showed the whole area and then the camera slowly trucks into the boat, and as you get to a certain point the drawing of the boat lines up with the real Arab sailboat in the live action. Then there was a cross-dissolve, and the boat starts moving. It was a perfect introduction to that film. I never discussed it with Roy. I just did it. I was doing this in a hurry and I was always working on something else at the time an I kind of worked these in. he was really tickled with it.

I worked with Roy on The Black Cauldron a lot more than I did with Katzenberg. Katzenberg came to Disney with an attitude, like with "you guys have failed, and now we're coming in and we are going to show you how pictures are made." We were not prepared for this Eisner/Katzenberg team. It was sort of like The Sopranos took over the studio.

Anyway, Roy was interested in taking over animation, because he had grown up at Walt's knee and knew the importance of animation to Disney. He had his company, Shamrock Productions, that was very successful, and he had tons of money, but he wanted to get back into filmmaking. I was happy to see Roy's interest, because I felt that he would be protective of animation. There were rumors that Eisner might get rid of animation altogether since he was more interested in making live-action pictures.

One day Jeffrey wanted to see The Black Cauldron, so Roy and I ran it for him. When it was over he said, "Cut 10 minutes out of it."

Now the picture at that time only ran 82 minutes. Ron had always said, "I don't want this picture to run over 80 minutes," but it did go two minutes over. Eighty two minutes is not long for a picture.
Usually they run closer to two hours. so I asked, "What is it you want cut?" He said, "You just figure it out. Well that: shorten this or whatever."

Roy and I got together on a moviola and we ran reels and tried to figure out what scenes that we could cut without destroying the story. we cut six minutes, I believe, which is a lot of costly animation footage. We ran the picture again for Katzenberg. He said, "Now is that ten minutes?" I think Roy said, "No, we only were able to cut out six minutes." Katzenberg replied, "I said ten minutes," and he left. By this time, I realized this was more than cutting a picture. This was a power grab. He wanted Roy to know that he was the boss. when we had cut about 8 1/2 minutes, we ran it again, he insisted that ten minutes had to be cut. By the time we cut ten minutes, Roy and I agreed that the story began to suffer. We finally cut twelve minutes for the sake of continuity.

The animation building was being remodeled into smaller offices, so they moved us over near WED into a warehouse with no windows. It was a terrible place to work."


82 minutes.


how long is that with the end credits?



Why doesn't Disney do extended cuts?

Probably for the same reasons that  lesser films were not given the same extravagant bonus features treatment as the crown jewels ( Walt Disney Signature Collection) on the Blurays and DVDs

The lesser films didn't do as well in theaters and home video.

altough Fantasia, Pinocchio, Bambi and Sleeping Beauty started as flops eventually made their way to crown jewel status through their theatrical reissues.

There was a time when Disney (and Anchor Bay) made restored extended cuts of Disney films

even Disney made extended “Special Edition” cuts of some of their animated Disney renaissance films as well as their live action films. 

somewhere around the early to mid 2010’s Disney quit doing that, and for most of their classic films that extended were back to their theatrical cuts.



Bedknobs and Broomsticks 25th Annversary edition  139 mins 1996 (LaserDisc 1996/VHS Disney DVD 2001/Disney DVD 2009) restoration director: Scott MacQueen


The Happiest Millionare Roadshow Cut 172 mins  1999 (Anchor Bay VHS DVD 1999/Disney DVD 2004)
http://articles.latimes….9/entertainment/ca-60536


Fantasia 60th Annversary Roadshow Cut 2000 124 mins (Disney DVD 2000/Disney Bluray and DVD 2010) restoration director: Scott MacQueen

added scenes with Deems Taylor’s onscreen appearance and more footage of the orchrestra was restored. unforuntently the soundtrack for Deems voice was shortened for the 1946/1956 reissues.
so Cory Burton was brought in to redub Deems.


there was an attempt to make a longer version of Watcher in the Woods (1980)
more about it here:
http://www.oocities.org/…cin4/watchermystery.html


Beauty and Beast Special Edition 91 mins 2002
musical song number “Human Again” added.

The Lion King Special Edition 90 mins 2003
musical song number “Morning Report” added. (currently as a bonus feature)

Pocahontas Special Edition 84 mins 2005
musical song number “If I Never Knew You” added. (currently as a bonus feature)
and also there were extended cuts of Muppet’s Christmas Carol (1992) (currently in the extras section of the theatrical cut on Disney+) and Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe (2005)










Friday, August 16, 2019

The Black Cauldron (1985) Animation Cels


Never mind  the melting huntsmen. Here are two interesting animation cels from the production of The Black Cauldron (1985)

This cel (to me) is likely is from the deleted scene that was after the fair folk scene when the horned king  giving orders to Creeper before entering the room with the dead corpses. In the final film it was reworked as his introductory scene. 

edit: I'm not sure if this was ever made it to the color dailies. 
Maybe this item is probably a promotional animation cel.

This cel  at the bottom is the rejected character design of King Eiddileg of the Fair Folk (back when he was voiced by Jonathan Winters.)

 In the Final film Arthur Mallet (Mr. Dawes Jr. from Mary Poppins) was the voice. and King Eiddileg's character design was changed.



Tuesday, July 9, 2019

Behind the Scenes Pictures



Joe Hale, Art Stevens and Ted Berman
John Hurt and Ted Berman.
Elmer Bernstein conducting. Photo from the liner notes of The Black Cauldron soundtrack CD


                            Voice Actor John Byner at the storyboards. Photo from IMDB.com




Thursday, May 16, 2019

We Aren't Making a Musical.



Excerpt from Walt's People Vol 11
https://www.amazon.com/Walts-People-Talking-Disney-Artists/dp/146536840X/ref=pd_ybh_a_13?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SY40CBEW0CEH54HMB32T

Producer Joe Hale: "When I took over the picture, I wanted to add some songs
because I felt it was kind of heavy and dark.

I went to Ron and talk to him about it,
but Ron said "no that decision has already been made.
we aren't making a musical."

Anyway when I finished the picture I went to Ron and I said are you happy with the picture?
he said "I couldn't be happier."

Lenghty excerpt from An Interview with Susan Sheridain (voice actress for Princess Eilonwy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_rEdDda-C8&t=684s

Movie Reviewer Jambareeqi: "You're most well known voice acting role for playing Princess Eilonwy in uh Black Cauldron
what was it like working for a major animation company like Disney?"

Susan Sheridan: "It was fantastic. It was an absolute joy, because
I was employed over a period of three years and i had to keep coming back
to record and then they put the animation to the voice If thats the way round they do it.

And those three years I went every spring uhh I think twice a year
and you can imagine it was absolute heaven working in the Walt Disney studios was an absolute joy
and the people were fabulous to work for.

However

The film itself costs millions and millions of dollars as well the most expensive cartoon they every made
uhh was not a major success the expected it to be. which I think is very sad

and one of the reasons is I think is it's a very dark film
and it didn't have enough light, a lot of shade, not enough light
and I kept saying when we're doing it "Look, couldn't we have a song?" I 'm a singer.
Nigel Hawthorne could sing, and he played a character who is a bard Fflewddur Fflam the bard.

We should've had songs or two. and they didn't take taken uhh and they didn't do it
and that was a great shame though it would been then more moments of lightness.
and John Hurt who played the Horned King you know fantastic but, terribly scary.

my uhh neighbors I went to the premiere with various children my neighbor's children
and sheee(laughing) the mother said "My god kids, we'll never sleep at night.".
(laughing)It was

It is a scary film. I mean now it's kind of become sot of a cult thing
and you know I think children are much more used to scariness and darkness.

But then in the well what was in the 80's it was it was very dark.
and I I I've I've regretted that they didn't make it umm more fun."

While the film is not a musical, the film had one song: Fflewddur's Song sung by the bard Fflewdddur Fflam.  It's in the film but not in it's entirety.


Fflewddur's Song
https://www.amazon.com/Disneys-Lost-Chords-Russell-Schroeder/dp/0615206336/ref=sr_1_1?hvadid=78340254633777&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&keywords=disney%27s+lost+chords&qid=1558055587&s=gateway&sr=8-1

"From Shore To Shore
Great Deeds of Courage Never Sung Before

and If I find them
I'll Strum and Rhyme Them
and Earn Myself a Great Name

The World Would Applaude Me
His Praise Will Reward Me
And I Flewddur Fflam will find fame"

excerpt from The Look Back Machine's Musical Homecoming: Disney's The Great Mouse Detective
http://lookbackmachine.libsyn.com/musical-homecoming-the-great-mouse-detective

Melissa Manchester:  The Great Mouse Detective was interesting because Disney stopped using songs in their animated features. just ridiculous.

But since they have success with it anyway, that was their policy for minutes, and the great mouse detective was trying to reintroduce the concept of songs in animated features.

Friday, March 8, 2019

Interesting Stuff From 1982



https://archive.org/details/AmericanFilm198207/page/n53
Old July/August 1982 article "Disney Looks For A Happy Ending To Its Grim Fairy Tale" by Bart Mills

My how times changed since that time.





and the 1982 (probably late 1982) Walt Disney Productions Annual Report  that changed the  release date for The Black Cauldron from 1984 to 1985, (which it did.), you can listen here at this link below.


https://waltsmusic.com/index.php/home/other-disney-media/item/359-1982-disney-annual-report-presentation

Monday, March 4, 2019

an interesting Chicago Tribine Article




https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-08-03-8502210564-story.html
Chicago Tribune article from August 3, 1984 (Katzenberg arrived at Disney in October of that same year)

"The walls of the Animation Building at Walt Disney Studios are lined with reminders of the past. Original artwork from ''Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs,'' ''Pinocchio'' and various other vintage cartoon features are encased along the long corridors. Even the slightly musty smell, like that of an old school building, takes one back to the time when Walt Disney walked the halls as the head of this fantasy factory.
'
'It is different now than when Walt was around,'' said producer Joe Hale about the five arduous years it took to produce ''The Black Cauldron.'' ''But this is the first time we`ve been given the resources to make an animated movie that we hope will remind people of the richness of those early Disney films.''

Hale is hoping that the $25 million production of ''The Black Cauldron''--the most expensive animated film in history--will attract a large enough audience to justify the expense.

Based on ''The Chronicles of Prydain,'' a series of five books by Lloyd Alexander, the film tells the story of a young assistant pig keeper named Taran who must prevent the evil Horned King from taking over the world. His only method of destroying the king`s horrific kingdom is to eliminate the Black Cauldron. This ancient kettle has the power to resurrect all the dead warriors from all previous wars, allowing them to unleash their evil fury on the innocent kingdom. Taran must reach the cauldron and do away with it before the Horned King has it in his long, gnarled fingers.

Taran`s difficult assignment pales beside the real-life task Hale faced in bringing the story to life as an animated film. Although production began five years ago, preproduction work began in 1973 when Disney Studios bought the rights to Alexander`s books. When the financing was finally completed in late 1979, it marked a renewed commitment to the full, rich animation that had been Disney`s trademark.

That return to Disney`s roots in cartoon features was made necessary by the failure of such live-action Disney films such as ''Hot Lead and Cold Feet,'' ''Tron,'' ''The Devil and Max Devlin,'' ''Watcher in the Woods'' and
''Something Wicked This Way Comes.''

''The executives have been great,'' said Hale, referring to such people as Disney Productions` new president, Michael Eisner. ''They`ve left us alone during production and are supporting the film with a substantial advertising and marketing campaign.''

It has been a long journey for Hale. After five years, 2,519,200 drawings, 400 gallons of paint, 15,000 pencils, 300 erasers, 34 miles of film stock and more than a million hours of labor, ''The Black Cauldron'' has opened in theaters nationwide.

Hale, who started as a Disney animator on ''Sleeping Beauty'' in 1951 and subsequently worked on ''101 Dalmatians,'' ''Mary Poppins,'' ''Bedknobs and Broomsticks'' and ''The Fox and the Hound,'' said he believes that the key to a successful, long-term project is teamwork.
''It`s like casting a live-action movie,'' he said. ''If you cast the right people in the right roles, you`re on the right track.''

Unlike their live-action counterparts, animated characters must be created from the blank page. Once the physical characteristics are developed

--height, weight, coloring, gait--the filmmakers also must find the right voices.
''You have much greater control over the material in animation, but it`s a heck of a lot harder,'' Hale said.

When it came to selecting the voices, it was a team decision.
''We heard countless audition tapes before we even started the animation process,'' said Ted Berman, codirector, along with Richard Rich, of ''The Black Cauldron.'' ''You listen to voice after voice after voice until you get the one that`s right. It`s often boring, definitely time-consuming and, ultimately, absolutely necessary. If you don`t get the right voice, the character bombs . . . and if one character bombs, so does the movie.''

Hale picked up a small three-dimensional model of a pig from his desk.
''This is Hen Wen,'' he said, in the same respectful tone other producers might use when introducing an actress. ''She`s crucial to the film`s story.'' But at first, the Disney team hadn`t figured out how she should sound or how big she should be or even what color eyes she should have. They also were not sure whether she`d be able to speak English. In live action, questions like that are already answered.

''In animation,'' Hale said, ''we literally start from scratch.''
It took two years for Hale and his staff of more than 300 to decide about Hen Wen. They gave her blue eyes, a body in perfect scale with her companions and a voice that sounds like a pig. The animators had to translate the three- dimensional model of Hen Wen into a two-dimensional character.
''It all seems so simple when you see it on the screen,'' Hale said,
''and that`s the way we want it to be. But it`s not.''

The production team brings each single frame through an extraordinarily lengthy process: recording dialogue, drawing the layout, roughing out the animation, shooting the preliminaries on film, improving the drawings, shooting it again, transferring the drawings to clear acetate pictures called cels, mixing the paints, painting and shooting the cels and backgrounds, coloring, recording the sound effects and music and balancing the color. And these are just part of the process.

''The Black Cauldron'' has received a PG rating, instead of the usual Disney G. Like ''Snow White,'' which changed ratings from G to PG during its re-release, ''Cauldron'' contains some terrifying moments.

But the change in rating doesn`t signify a simple alteration in a rating; it represents a different direction for Disney.

''We decided to go back to the essence of the great animated features of the past,'' Hale said. ''We want real heroes and, to have real heroes, you need real villains. We wanted the Horned King to be as formidable as the wicked stepmother in `Snow White,` and I hope we succeeded.''
Disney Studios has been so optimistic about the future of animated features that it already has another due out next summer called ''Basil of Baker Street,'' starring Mickey Mouse as a Holmesian detective in Victorian England.

''Who knows?'' Hale asked. ''Maybe I`ll be around here for another few decades.''

"Mickey Mouse as a Holmesian detective in Victorian England"?
might be a joke an anecadote, or maybe misinformation.

Thursday, February 21, 2019

Posters





                                                           rare poster mockup concept.
also of  note: like the movie posters of the live action Disney movies of the late 70's and early to mid 1980's strangely had no mention of the Disney name.  maybe this mockup could be from 1984 or early 1985?



                                       The Black Cauldron 1985 Theatrical Movie Poster





International poster of the 1990 limited rerelease and retitle (Taran and the Magic Cauldron)